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What the Bible says about homosexuality
"The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals
If you are going to quote the Bible to damn another, at least get your facts right before you do so.
by John Bellamy
The piece below is claimed to be a letter sent to a popular and dangerous American radio DJ who would give her opinions on many subjects and one being the Bible and how it relates to homosexuality - and a listener supposedly sent the piece below to her. Mind you, the letter itself is fake as I have seen this in many different guises and sent to her by many different people, but the truth of the message is loud and clear - so have a read.
PLEASE - watch the youtube piece below from an American TV show
'The West Wing' which details it perfectly.
Dear Dr. Laura:
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:20 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.
I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to follow them.
1.) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odour for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbours. They claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
2.) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
3.) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:l9-24). The problem is, how I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence
4.) Lev.25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?
5.) I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?
6.) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination ( Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?
7.) Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
8.) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?
9.) I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves.
10.) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread ( cotton/polyester blend).
He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev.24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.
Your devoted disciple and adoring fan
As you can probably surmise,
Confused about what it does say in the Bible
and what it actually means ?
Leviticus states some very interesting things. ie: You must not eat Crab, Lobster, Rabbit and Pork, or have sex with just about any relative you can think of. You cannot interbreed different livestock or wear a garment made from mixed fabrics, touch dead pig skin or grow different crops in the same field. And yet almost all of these are ignored by people while still adhering to the ones that suit them to cling onto. I was not personally aware that the Bible; if it was to be the foundation of your religion;- was a pick'n'mix where you could believe the bits that suited you and ignore the bits that didn't.
Leviticus was a health book written not by God but by the Rabbis who saw the tribes walking around the deserts and dying out from food poisoning ( sewage in the water - crab & lobsters, Tape Worm in pigs etc. ) having sex with a relative meant idiot children from too much interbreeding, while gay men simply dont have children, and so forth. These guidelines were put in place as a way of making the bloodlines of the Jewish tribes strong and so they would survive and not die out. It was not the word of God any more than The Sun newspaper offers good journalism.
The 'Born Agains' etc. then state that God gave Leviticus - partly to the nation and partly to the tribes :- in other words not all of it applies to them. BUT: That is saying they can pick and choose which bits to follow and which bits not to adhere to;- as NOWHERE in the Bible does God state that - 'This bit is for you and this bit is not...' the Born Agains make that distinction and that kind of hypocracy is what causes many to be damned..
So the next time you quote the Bible at someone, please make sure of your facts beforehand and do not be selective with the truth, especially if your own views limit another for simply living life their own way: - which despite being different to yours,- does not make it wrong, regardless of how you may choose to decipher Biblical writings accordingly.
Just remember what the Bible says Jesus stated - 'Love thy neighbour as thyself' - it does not say ' Love thy neighbour as thyself unless they are black, lesbian, gay, single mother, unemployed, from the wrong side of the track, illegitament, or anything else that you personally do not like because of your own limited and bigoted view of life, death and the universe.'
Do not trust the Biblical teachings as it has been MASSIVELY edited and MISTRANSLATED SEVERAL TIMES and is then used to limit and control your life and your soul journey. People who use this book to damn others are arrogant and just bullies and many live in absolutes ( they are right and everyone else is wrong ) and use the texts to limit and control others in order to make themselves feel more secure and happy - bolstering up their failing self image by putting others down and claiming to be doing God's work. They are misguided, wrong and ignorant.
I often have 'discussions' in the streets with those who stand there proclaiming to have the answers and waving the Bible in the air - and often 20 or 30 people will gather to listen and not one soul, on any occasion I have witnessed, speaks up and has a difference of opinion until I open my gob... and then all too often, many of the public 'back me up' and say they like what I am saying and do not like what the 'preacher' is claiming to be the facts, and not ust about homosexuality - but about women and the damage te Bible places on women, and so much more. Personally - I cannot stand there and keep my gob shut and allow someone to vent their spleenfull of viscious hate filled dogma claiming it to be the word of God and I have to speak up.
So please - Do stand up for yourselves - quote the above to them and do not allow them the right, the nerve, the bloody cheek, to try and use God's word against another. As that is un Godly.
Dear John. ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC - your article on the Bible and homosexuality. Well done. Keep it up. Brilliant stuff my man. Jake ( Leeds )
John. Loved the piece on the Bible and had to write and say thankyou. Brilliant stuff. We have since spoken on the phone about this subject a lot more and thankyou - No one has ever spoken so freely and with so much knowledge and not filled me with the usual Biblical rubbish that has held tight for so long, but is now out dated and known to be incorrect. You opened my eyes just enough to get me thinking and asking questions and disbelieving what I have always thought to be the truth. Thankyou John. Mark M. ( London )
John: I read your editorial about gays and the bible and well done. I had no idea. I am thrilled to know some truths and shall now search for others. You opened my eyes and I am telling everyone. So glad to have found your web site as so many gays are so weak when it comes to standing up to bigotry and just as ignorant to the truth as the bigot. You have helped e grow and now I have the seed I intend finding out more. Richie.
John. I watched the youtube link to West Wing ( above ) and read your article ( above ) with relish. Thankyou. It is about time someone in te gay community tried in this manner to help those of us who struggle with our homosexuality ad Christian beliefs. I attended the MCC church for a long time but they are just as closed in many ways and I truly needed to hear some truths of the origins of these scriptures and you helped enormously. Thankyou. Jack ( Swindon )
For a really good web site that goes into depth - click below
Faris Malik, Manager of the Muslim-oriented gay websites, "Born Eunuchs" and "Queer Jihad," wrote in 1999, as published on his website:
"Regardless of what homosexual Christians may feel today... it is clear that in the fourth century they were identified as powerful enemies of Catholic doctrine... the early supporters of the Nicene creed saw homosexual men as dangerous rivals.
Clement of Alexandria had defined the eunuch as one not unable, but unwilling to have sex [with women]... Now, in the fourth century Epiphanius of Salamis claims the born eunuchs [homosexuals] are incapable of doing anything sexual 'because they lack the divinely created organs of generation...'
This reduction of eunuch status to a physical defect is but one churchman's tactic (eventually superseding all others) within a general fourth-century ecclesiastical strategy to deprive physically whole, natural eunuchs, i.e. homosexual men, of their religious credibility... Having once established power over imperial legislation regarding religion, Catholic authorities never looked back. With the outlawing of heresies, enforced by imperial power, no one was in a position to contradict the established doctrine of the Church. If the Church decided that Jesus meant only persons suffering from anatomical birth defects in Matthew 19:12, who would have been in a position to object? If the now imperial Church found that a homosexual engaging in his own natural sexuality was guilty of the sin of Sodom, who would stand up to argue? Rather, the Church continued to use the oppression of homosexuals...as a tool to consolidate power."
Walter Wink, ThD, Professor of Biblical Interpretation at Auburn Theological Seminary, wrote in a 2003 article:
"The crux of the matter, it seems to me, is simply that the Bible has no sexual ethic. There is no Biblical sex ethic. Instead, it exhibits a variety of sexual mores, some of which changed over the thousand year span of biblical history. Mores are unreflective customs accepted by a given community. Many of the practices that the Bible prohibits, we allow, and many that it allows, we prohibit. The Bible knows only a love ethic, which is constantly being brought to bear on whatever sexual mores are dominant in any given country, or culture, or period.
Christian morality, after all, is not a iron chastity belt for repressing urges, but a way of expressing the integrity of our relationship with God. It is the attempt to discover a manner of living that is consistent with who God created us to be. For those of same-sex orientation, as for heterosexuals, being moral means rejecting sexual mores that violate their own integrity and that of others, and attempting to discover what it would mean to live by the love ethic of Jesus...
Where the Bible mentions homosexual behavior at all, it clearly condemns it. I freely grant that. The issue is precisely whether that Biblical judgment is correct. The Bible sanctioned slavery as well, and nowhere attacked it as unjust. Are we prepared to argue today that slavery is biblically justified?... In the light of that [God's] supernal compassion, whatever our position on gays, the gospel's imperative to love, care for, and be identified with their sufferings is unmistakably clear."
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