The Christian Church is responsible for mass genocide - mass torture - mass murder of men, women and children - by priests and nuns - plus the slaughter of hundreds of thousands in the Crusades and even today, the church damns and destroys whole communities - whole sections of society - millions of people world wide - and all because they are LGBT.
The Bible is not the word of God;- Was not written by God and is far from accurate to the original documents it was copied from. Written by scores of different men - then massively edited over the centuries to say what a load of sexually frustrated and fucked up monks ' thought' it meant, and they applied their dogmatic screwed up frustrations into the writings making it say what they wanted it to say - mean what they wanted it to mean, and limit the truth as they wanted as a way of keeping people under control.
When you control someone through sexuality - it changes over time and you loose control.
When you control someone through a political point of view, that also changes over time and again, you loose control.
When you control someone with money, that also changes over time and you loose control.
When you control someone through their religious indoctrination you have put in place in the first place, you have them for life.
( at least you did until modern man turned his back on the church )
The church was all about controlling the mass of people and damning anyone who spoke against the doctrines as evil, of satan,- a witch or a demon. The edited Bible was used as God's word so in their eyes, if you disagreed, you were put to death. Period.
But the Bible was written by man, actually hundreds of men over a huge length of time, and then massively edited many many times - and there is no way of God's Earth that the Bible is accurate, concise, precise or even vaguely accurate to what was originally written and is most certainly not the word of God at all, but man.
Edited to say what the religious leaders over centuries wanted it to say - and why ?
To garner control over man and over his soul.
It is largely a fabrication.
The word ' Official' was added as a way of making is SOUND official, when it was not at all.
Edited by the Catholics and Protestants who argued over it for a very long time.
Today we are free to openly discuss and critisise the Bible and its teachings. Today the church cannot murder anyone who disagrees with them, and today the church cannot get away with mass murder so uses other, more subtle approaches like excomunication. But the murder and mass genicide went on right up until the 1990's when the Magdelene Sisters were discovered in Ireland to be murdering children in their laundarettes and horribly beating small childen in their care. Nuns. Women of Christ. Nuns abusing small children - and this was massively going on and not just by Nuns in Ireland.
Millions feel disenfranchised by the teachings of the church and millions feel the church does not offer an all inclusive religion for eveyone.
Many feel that the word of God as found in the Bible - causes much distress of emotional and moral pain.
Many feel that God does not talk to them directly and that everything is based around a heterosexual version of reality with absolutely no room for anything a little different.
Religions of the world have so feared the gay man throughout history and NOT because we are gay at all, but because the church feared the fact that most of the prophets, sooths, seers, channellers, gurus , healers, midwives and witch doctors were often on what we now call the 'mental health spectrum' - or they were LGBTQ.
The chutrch turned against these people and burned thousands at the stake as witches and heretics when the truth was the murderous church was butchering the competition.
Many gay men are Catholic / Christian / Jew / Muslim and form a part of the vast congregation that follows a belief sytructure laid down thousands of years ago. Many gay men today feel at odds with these teachings.
It is hard to follow a leader you are told does not like you because you are gay.
It is hard to follow anyone who says you cannot have the sex that nature intended you to enjoy.
Many LGBT feel left out by the teachings and many miss the connection that heterosexuals assume is only for them and that ' God Hates Fags.'
Hardly very enlightened.
Hardly very spiritual.
Hardly very Godly.
Now: God does not care if you are gay - black - women - rascist - hatefilled or full of love, you see GOD DOES NOT CARE.
It is assume God suffers from the same limiting emotions that we have. We read in the Bible what a jealous God, what an angry God, and how God will smite you, punnish you, cast you out and even send you to hell, and this is laughable in its childishness, as it couldn't be further from the truth.
This is what the church will tell you to make you fall in line and follow like sheep out of fear.
Thing ios, it's a load of bollocks.
A very good book called 'Love Lost in TRanbslation' goes into incredible detail about how LGBT people thropughout the ages have been edited out of biblical writings and how these monks messed with the writings to garner control. It had NOTHING AT ALL to do with what God wanted but what the church wanted to keep you under control to them.
Following any doctrine from the Bible is fine as long as you realise it is NOT gospel. It is NOT 100% true and it is NOT the word of God. I would argue this with any ' man of the cloth' and all they will do is try and be superior and talk down to - and that belittling aspect of the priesthood just makes me laugh in its fear. To garner control when they know they are loosing an argument, they reduce the conversation to you not knowing what you are talking about and that as they are the priest they have more knowledge, but the truth is - THAT ALSO IS BOLLOCKS.
2 very good books that are both worth a read.
Most Priests do very little Biblical study, and the vast learnming they go through is how to write a surmon, how to run a church, how to organise the ladies doing the flowers, learning how to talk through peoples troubles ( even though the average priest hasn't the faintest clue about emotional relationships as they are not allowed to have any - ) and the whole church training is limited on Biblical teachings and more on how to be a staff member following and doing what the church - your boss, instructs.
Like a policeman. They are not lawyers. They have not studied law. They are almost as ignorant to what is legal and what is not as the average man in the streets and yet - they will bullshit just like the priests and make you 'think' they are right when the fact remains, all too often, they are not.
Many LGBT have problems with th church and yet want to believe and follow - many want to be vicars and priests and yet are discrimninated against by a bigoited church livingin fear - fear of the very thing they know could save the church - as LGBT were often the prophets of history and the church hated that. So damned them.
So do not worry about what the Bishops and Priests think or say. Chances are a great many of them are LGBT anyway ( what do you think about a man in a dress with a silly hat anyway - hardly very macho...) and DO NOT allow any church or doctrine to make you doubt yourself, as if you do, THEY WIN , and that is NOT the way God works at all.
God loves us all - and I am NOT going to say - regardless - as even that means God judges, when God does not judge us - we do.
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Homosexuality has been part of human nature for as long as recorded history, but social pressures and religious superstition have stigmatized it. As a result, there are few, if any, traditional scriptures that help a modern gay person to grow spiritually. To fill the gap, a host of books have sprung up talking about faith and God in terms that allow gay people to feel spiritually worthy. I'd urge you to read such a book in order to settle your own doubts, for every parent of a gay child has them.
As to the balance of male and female, both aspects exist inside ourselves. A straight person doesn't reach balance simply by finding someone of the opposite sex. The work happens inside, and if it's successful, a balance is reached outside as well, since outer and inner reflect each other. In the straight world, there are common, but mistaken, assumptions that gay couples mimic the roles of husband and wife, one playing at being feminine, the other masculine.
Such a rigid division is actually far from the norm. The challenge in any relationship is how to find completeness while relating to another person. This is true in all relationships that are mature, loving and serious about personal growth. Some straight relationships fail the test; some gay ones pass it. Nobody gets a free ride just by falling in love with someone of the opposite gender.
Thank you John. After many years beating myself up about being gay and a good Catholic I read your stuff and it helped me look elsewhere for more truhs and I have a very different life plan around my religious beliefs now and all thanks to you. Well done John. Life changer. Rudie:
You'll got to hell John for saying the bible is bollocks. Some one somewhere will say that God hates you. But then, you'll be in good company as these people to the left will most cetuainly be in hell - and the Pope will be there with you for allowing so much pedophilia and abuse by his priests over milleniums - It'll be full of those wicked murdering nuns who abused thousands of children - Priests who fiddled with the choir - Vicars who pinched from the collection to pay for rent boys - Church leaders who mass murdered the Cathars in history and the Crusades murdering the mass of innocent people - oh and probably the occasional criminal but I think hell will be more full of Church people doing what was claimed to be ' God's work' when God is absolutely appalled at these peoples actions in His / Her name and hence, they have ended up in hell.
You John, oh you won't be in hell... You'll be on the right hand side of ' the big fella ' and he will be asking you for advise... ha ha
Let's ban religion and all the dpogma that goes with it. Maybe then we can all live a happy guilt free life. Religion sucks the very life out of you and leaves you a shall afraid o do and say anything.
My Stepfather had his right ear drum shattered by a monk at his school because he asked a difficult question the monk could not answer so hit him round the head breaking his ear drum and leaving him 75 % deaf for the rest of his life in that ear.
Monks. Priests. The lot of them - scummy bullies.